How do you even get a non-company-hosted server now? Public bodies don’t host services for outsiders much any more and aren’t really safe places for privacy in this type of case anyway.

Please show any Wayback Machine link for that quote on Proton’s site. I can find ‘your privacy comes first’. I didn’t find ‘up to the extent of Swiss law’ yet.

Explain how you’d use Delta Chat without a server, please? I may have misunderstood its need for a mailserver when I tried it.

Nothing in their marketing says they’ll refuse to comply with lawful orders.

Maybe not now, but it used to say ‘your privacy comes first’ which certainly gave the impression privacy would be more important than blindly believing and obeying courts.

Thanks for the link to their report.

Most of those still rely on some company to host a server, except Briar, and in practice most Briar users are still relying on companies to access Tor to connect.

They are more robust, not perfect.

I don’t know about ‘should’ but wasn’t that the impression their marketing tried to give? Or at least that they would fight to defend user privacy for noble activists? But when challenged, its owners seem to have folded quicker than a strapontin.

And yet, legal entities are often found guilty of not complying with the law. I think people were expecting Proton to at least try to fight a morally-questionable court order.

There are hundreds of truly-private alternatives, many with no company involved at all.

Such as…? I bet some ISPs or hardware maker companies are involved at some point.

Do Swiss courts not allow any defence to be presented?

The popular myth is that Swiss privacy law is so strong that banks can hide gold and profits for major criminals. It wasn’t to Proton’s benefit to correct that.

There seems to be no suggestion yet that any crime was committed on/using ProtonMail itself. Just that it was a tool to track someone accused of offline crimes. So this comment feels like misdirection because there are probably options between being liable and effectively telling the cops where users are.

They said things that led the unwary to trust they wouldn’t. Remember, this isn’t some terrorist mass-murderer they handed over, but apparently an anti-gentrification youth activist linked to Greta Thunberg’s campaign groups.

Edit to add: in particular, Proton used to claim ‘your privacy comes first’ but this case suggests in reality, the Swiss government’s help for French police comes first.

Tuta are also a for-profit company, aren’t they? Just one that currently has better published positions than most. Use them, but make sure you keep a path to the exit door in view.

Those apt commands are in a less-good order. It’s usually better to update apt, then upgrade the system.

I upgrade as soon as reasonably possible after the notification appears, if the system isn’t on auto-upgrade.

It reads like “definitely should not happen” was indeed happening!

I wonder if some techs got a basic unencrypted test working, then a pointy haired boss moved them on to another project and it got deployed into use with no-one setting up the encryption.

You literally wrote that they don’t represent you, so what else could I reasonably infer (not assume) from that? I bet you’d be more offended if I assumed you were lying in everything you wrote… but great thanks to you for petitioning them. It’s up to us all to make our representatives care.

Sorry, that’s not how representative democracy works. You should tell them that, not us, and why.