I know that linux is the popular answer to this problem.
I use a Mac and it’s a pretty good machine. I know it isn’t for everyone, but it works well enough for me and has enough mainstream support. As well the hardware has gotten ’ good enough’
MacOS is not hostile to me when I want to run and install programs. There is some opensource support on the platform and the a good amount of closed source programs.
I do miss the wide ranging PnP hardware support for things like SAS/LTO
I have a 2012 MacBook Pro that runs exactly as it did when I bought it. It’s fast enough (i7), has retina resolution and can triple boot. I feel like I may have gotten my money’s worth over the 14 years it’s been running perfectly. The hardware is also still basically pristine.
Great for you. The motherboard on my 2011 MBP died after 5 years and then again after 5 years after the replacing it the first time. Decided to junk it then cause even if I placed the mobo, couldn’t install the latest OS or the latest software.
2012 was when you could still easily upgrade your own ram, drive, fix your screen etc. if needed, modern MacBooks are not made like that. Also a 2012 i7 would not be fast enough for most people’s modern workloads. But like I said, they hardware is good, if it does break though, you are kinda fucked on mac
I think it’s not hard to understand how MacOS is easily better than Windows. I don’t think Apple is enshittifying quite as fast as Microsoft, if at all.
Ever update an app and then be told that you need to update MacOS cause the new version need the latest MacOS? So you try to update MacOS but can’t cause your MBP can’t run the latest version. That’s okay, let’s go back to the older version of the app. Oh wait, now you can’t cause that version is no longer in the Apple Store. So you can’t update the app, can’t update MacOS and you can’t reinstall the older app version, which you may have paid for.
Apple’s enshittification was baked-in and normalised a long time ago. The rate it gets worse is slower compared to Win 11 in 2025 but the MacOS level of enshittification is already pretty fucking high.
Apple supports its devices for a lot longer than most OEMs after release (minimum 5 years since being available for sale from Apple, which might be 2 years of sales), but the impact of dropped support is much more pronounced, as you note. Apple usually announces obsolescence 2 years after support ends, too, and stop selling parts and repair manuals, except a few batteries supported to the 10 year mark. On the software/OS side, that usually means OS upgrades for 5-7 years, then 2 more years of security updates, for a total of 7-9 years of keeping a device reasonably up to date.
So if you’re holding onto a 5-year-old laptop, Apple support tends to be much better than a 5-year-old laptop from a Windows OEM (especially with Windows 11 upgrade requirements failing to support some devices that were on sale at the time of Windows 11’s release).
But if you’ve got a 10-year-old Apple laptop, it’s harder to use normally than a 10-year-old Windows laptop.
Also, don’t use the Apple store for software on your laptop. Use a reasonable package manager like homebrew that doesn’t have the problems you describe. Or go find a mirror that hosts old MacOS packages and install it yourself.
if you’ve got a 10-year-old Apple laptop, it’s harder to use normally than a 10-year-old Windows laptop.
Also, don’t use the Apple store for software on your laptop. Use a reasonable package manager like homebrew that doesn’t have the problems you describe. Or go find a mirror that hosts old MacOS packages and install it yourself.
Agree with both and able to do so cause I’m an IT professional and wo ked on all 4 major OSes in my past.
However, having to use an external package manager undercuts the advertising that they’re just plug and play.
80% of the utterly ass things that Apple pushes on people are on iPhone. iOS is a purely consumer product, while macOS has a decent chunk of the prosumer market which has a lower tolerance for enshittification.
I know that linux is the popular answer to this problem.
I use a Mac and it’s a pretty good machine. I know it isn’t for everyone, but it works well enough for me and has enough mainstream support. As well the hardware has gotten ’ good enough’
MacOS is not hostile to me when I want to run and install programs. There is some opensource support on the platform and the a good amount of closed source programs.
I do miss the wide ranging PnP hardware support for things like SAS/LTO
Mac hardware is great. But they overcharge so much and are so anti right to repair that I could never give them my money
Yeah the closed ecosystem is just cutting off your nose to game on your face
I have a 2012 MacBook Pro that runs exactly as it did when I bought it. It’s fast enough (i7), has retina resolution and can triple boot. I feel like I may have gotten my money’s worth over the 14 years it’s been running perfectly. The hardware is also still basically pristine.
Great for you. The motherboard on my 2011 MBP died after 5 years and then again after 5 years after the replacing it the first time. Decided to junk it then cause even if I placed the mobo, couldn’t install the latest OS or the latest software.
2012 was when you could still easily upgrade your own ram, drive, fix your screen etc. if needed, modern MacBooks are not made like that. Also a 2012 i7 would not be fast enough for most people’s modern workloads. But like I said, they hardware is good, if it does break though, you are kinda fucked on mac
I think it’s not hard to understand how MacOS is easily better than Windows. I don’t think Apple is enshittifying quite as fast as Microsoft, if at all.
Ever update an app and then be told that you need to update MacOS cause the new version need the latest MacOS? So you try to update MacOS but can’t cause your MBP can’t run the latest version. That’s okay, let’s go back to the older version of the app. Oh wait, now you can’t cause that version is no longer in the Apple Store. So you can’t update the app, can’t update MacOS and you can’t reinstall the older app version, which you may have paid for.
Apple’s enshittification was baked-in and normalised a long time ago. The rate it gets worse is slower compared to Win 11 in 2025 but the MacOS level of enshittification is already pretty fucking high.
Apple supports its devices for a lot longer than most OEMs after release (minimum 5 years since being available for sale from Apple, which might be 2 years of sales), but the impact of dropped support is much more pronounced, as you note. Apple usually announces obsolescence 2 years after support ends, too, and stop selling parts and repair manuals, except a few batteries supported to the 10 year mark. On the software/OS side, that usually means OS upgrades for 5-7 years, then 2 more years of security updates, for a total of 7-9 years of keeping a device reasonably up to date.
So if you’re holding onto a 5-year-old laptop, Apple support tends to be much better than a 5-year-old laptop from a Windows OEM (especially with Windows 11 upgrade requirements failing to support some devices that were on sale at the time of Windows 11’s release).
But if you’ve got a 10-year-old Apple laptop, it’s harder to use normally than a 10-year-old Windows laptop.
Also, don’t use the Apple store for software on your laptop. Use a reasonable package manager like homebrew that doesn’t have the problems you describe. Or go find a mirror that hosts old MacOS packages and install it yourself.
Agree with both and able to do so cause I’m an IT professional and wo ked on all 4 major OSes in my past.
However, having to use an external package manager undercuts the advertising that they’re just plug and play.
80% of the utterly ass things that Apple pushes on people are on iPhone. iOS is a purely consumer product, while macOS has a decent chunk of the prosumer market which has a lower tolerance for enshittification.
I liked macOS but the Tahoe update with its new “liquid ass” interface is hideous.