The mac mini and mac studio give the user a lot of bang for their buck. Those who say “Apple tax,” I’m convinced, haven’t looked into the Apple settings or used the ecosystem for what it’s typically used for… I actually think Apple is worth the money for a lot of people, it just depends on how you typically use the computer and what you need from it
I’m more asking about why a typical Mac user would switch to Linux mint, wondering this in response to something I heard someone say to me. I think maybe, that person just really likes Linux Mint, and wants everybody to use it.
I’m a recovering Apple user, and the Apple tax is absolutely a thing.
Yeah, the hardware lasts. In my little office I currently have a 2011 MacBook Pro running Arch(btw), a 2014 Mac mini running Mint, an M1 mini, and an M2 Air. That '11 Pro refuses to die. However I’m under absolutely 0 illusions that I’ll get the same lifespan from the M1 and M2. The hardware may well last as long, but them being effectively locked down right to macOS means that when Apple decide they’re done, they’re done. I could run Asahi on them, but that comes with a bunch of annoying compromises that aren’t the fault of the Asahi devs, but are as a result of Apple trying to lock down the Mac platform in the same way they have iOS.
And sure, the entry level hardware can be cheap. The M4 mini is an astonishing deal. But they’re betting on locking you in with iCloud Drive subscriptions, and the like. Then, after a few years, when your Mini goes obsolete, you’ll either upgrade to a new one or have to spend a bunch of time trying to work out how to shift your online storage to another provider.
And not to mention things that they’ve branded that are commonly available for free elsewhere. “Buy into the Apple ecosystem to get Universal Control!” or just install Deskflow on the shitty old ThinkPad you already have, because the function of the software is exactly the same. “Apple’s Continuity stuff is super neat!” Aye, and so is KDE Connect. Which is free and runs on any device this side of Charles Babbage’s Difference Engine.
You pay a lot for Apple hardware, and yeah, that money gets you great hardware, but the value proposition is getting slimmer every year.
Well, if you have an old Mac (like Intel era), I think Linux would be a good target if your Mac isn’t supported anymore. I’m not sure what Linux distros run on Apple Silicon. Linux being a bit lighter weight would mitigate some of the issues Mac guys have with certain Intel Macs (overheating). And certainly breathe new life into the machine.
I’m not quite sold on Mac Studio. For high end, I don’t want something that’s all on one chip and can’t be upgraded. But that’s what Apple Silicon is all about. Just seems like someone who needs that much computer would be better served by a different kind of machine. For cheap consumer grade computers, Macs are kinda hard to beat, but at every price point, there are other options. Hard to say what the best is. It would depend on the user.
That’s fair to say, Apple is very expensive, I just think the package is worth it for a lot of people if they’re willing to learn the settings menu (and remember it, crucially)
The mac mini and mac studio give the user a lot of bang for their buck. Those who say “Apple tax,” I’m convinced, haven’t looked into the Apple settings or used the ecosystem for what it’s typically used for… I actually think Apple is worth the money for a lot of people, it just depends on how you typically use the computer and what you need from it
I’m more asking about why a typical Mac user would switch to Linux mint, wondering this in response to something I heard someone say to me. I think maybe, that person just really likes Linux Mint, and wants everybody to use it.
I’m a recovering Apple user, and the Apple tax is absolutely a thing.
Yeah, the hardware lasts. In my little office I currently have a 2011 MacBook Pro running Arch(btw), a 2014 Mac mini running Mint, an M1 mini, and an M2 Air. That '11 Pro refuses to die. However I’m under absolutely 0 illusions that I’ll get the same lifespan from the M1 and M2. The hardware may well last as long, but them being effectively locked down right to macOS means that when Apple decide they’re done, they’re done. I could run Asahi on them, but that comes with a bunch of annoying compromises that aren’t the fault of the Asahi devs, but are as a result of Apple trying to lock down the Mac platform in the same way they have iOS.
And sure, the entry level hardware can be cheap. The M4 mini is an astonishing deal. But they’re betting on locking you in with iCloud Drive subscriptions, and the like. Then, after a few years, when your Mini goes obsolete, you’ll either upgrade to a new one or have to spend a bunch of time trying to work out how to shift your online storage to another provider.
And not to mention things that they’ve branded that are commonly available for free elsewhere. “Buy into the Apple ecosystem to get Universal Control!” or just install Deskflow on the shitty old ThinkPad you already have, because the function of the software is exactly the same. “Apple’s Continuity stuff is super neat!” Aye, and so is KDE Connect. Which is free and runs on any device this side of Charles Babbage’s Difference Engine.
You pay a lot for Apple hardware, and yeah, that money gets you great hardware, but the value proposition is getting slimmer every year.
Well, if you have an old Mac (like Intel era), I think Linux would be a good target if your Mac isn’t supported anymore. I’m not sure what Linux distros run on Apple Silicon. Linux being a bit lighter weight would mitigate some of the issues Mac guys have with certain Intel Macs (overheating). And certainly breathe new life into the machine.
I’m not quite sold on Mac Studio. For high end, I don’t want something that’s all on one chip and can’t be upgraded. But that’s what Apple Silicon is all about. Just seems like someone who needs that much computer would be better served by a different kind of machine. For cheap consumer grade computers, Macs are kinda hard to beat, but at every price point, there are other options. Hard to say what the best is. It would depend on the user.
That’s fair to say, Apple is very expensive, I just think the package is worth it for a lot of people if they’re willing to learn the settings menu (and remember it, crucially)