If you murdered every murderer, you should get enough points to go to The Good Place, right?
Hypothetically speaking of course. I’m obliged by lemmy.world rules to state that I do not condone murder. 😉
If you murder a murderer, you don’t reduce the total number of murderers. You have to murder more than one, but then you’re a serial killer, which is arguably worse. If you’re a serial killer who only kills serial killers, then you are starting to maximize the offset. But once you fuck up and get close to being caught, so your serial killer girlfriend blows up Doakes to keep your secret safe and you pin all your murders on him, you’ve gone too far.
Yeah but how do you know the murderer you murdered wasn’t just murdering other murderers like your murderering MO? You could still have a net sum of 0 murderers removed from society🫠
When you get to the end. You’ll need a Murderer who Murders [Murders who Murders Murderers]
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Then you’ll have one evil Murderer, and all other evils are gone.
Wait, Yagami Light? Is that you?
gets heart attack
“Kir…a”
dies
Murdering them reduces the number of murderers in the world and does not undo their murders, so it’s a win win.
I learned from the new Dexter show that you have to kill three times to become a serial killer. So, it seems like two is the optimum number here, reducing the number of murderers by one and increasing the number of serial killers by none.
What if you are not a serial killer, but a parallel killer?
That’s a spree killer.
I miss Doakes. 😭
Surprise motherfucker!
Nah, fuck that guy.
Last but not least, don’t forget to kill your serial killer girlfriend to tie up loose ends, and maintain superiority over other killers.
you get eight seasons and three spin-offs.
You get a place that’s not a Good place, not a Bad place, not even a Medium place, but a Luigi’s Mansion.
Banned from reddit for mentioning the Nintendo character.
If you murder a murderer,
then you are a murderer murderer.A murderer murderer is
still a murderer.You would get more points if you manage to capture them and get them a fair trial that allows society to reflect on the issues that made them the way they are and maybe reduce the chance that more will appear in the future.
Knowing is half the battle.
GI JOE!
Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement.
Murder as punishment? Bad.
Killing someone who has killed before, who is known to commit more murders, to prevent them from committing more murders? Generally bad, too, unless the system is totally broken.
“Thou shalt not kill” is a pretty straightforward commandment. No qualifiers, no exceptions. No “go ahead and kill if you believe you’re justified”.
Per the New testament so long as you accept Jesus afterward and repent you should be fine though.
Irrelevant discussion, no one has been to the good place in a long ass time it was all ancient ppl
This was actually a huge problem in medieval times. The people back then adhered to the existence of the death penalty, but they also didn’t see it as anything aside from a kind of state sanctioned murder rather than how you’d expect many people to see execution. Executioners were thus highly stigmatized, to the point where we have that stereotype today of medieval executioners having that black veil over their heads to conceal their identity, and out of necessity, the role of executioner was inherited like that of a monarch rather than acquired, since often nobody would’ve otherwise sought the job. Executioners were considered so much of an outcast and felt so little incentive to be executioners that it was medieval law that they would get a lifetime supply of free food in order to reduce the burden of the job. They were considered a hesitant necessary “evil” that put a cap on other “evils”, like adultery (oh the horror). Or so they say.
Times have evolved though, and I go by a different school of thought (schools of thought where it’s much more difficult to get to the bad place and stay there if your intentions are good). I cannot help you out of legal issues should something happen, but I have faith that doing what you consider to be a favor won’t be eternally punished.
If you only kill one murderer the number of murderers stays the same, if you kill 20…
The number of bad murderers changes tho
Kill 1 person its a tragedy, Kill 10000 its a statistic.
Lets change the statistics of billionaires?
Murdering murderers makes one a murderer. If one is going to ignore any context and mitigating factors, no, murdering murderers does not result in net good.
E.g., people who have killed in self defense have been tagged as murderers. Murdering them is not at all a good thing (in my moral framework, at least).
E.g. #2, murdering one person for Reasons does not necessarily mean a murderer is going to murder again. So murdering them adds to the overall murder tally without necessarily preventing any additional murders.
There has to be some element of preventing future murders, not just retribution of past murders, for this to even be a debate, IMO. And then there’s the bar of simply locking them up being insufficient to prevent them murdering in the future.
Murder is the unlawful or unjustifiable killing of another person. If you kill someone in legitimate self-defense, you are not a murderer.
This, of course, doesn’t stop a lot of murderers from falsely claiming self-defense.
Murdering all murderers can’t conceivably be “self-defense”, making it unlawful.
I was simply responding to his assertion that “people who have killed in self defense have been tagged as murderers”.
And how would one know with 100% certainly a person killed in self-defense despite being labeled a murderer by the applicable legal system?
It assumes an impossible perfect knowledge. Or if not perfect knowledge, some percentage of error, making the murderer of murderers guilty of occasionally murdering an innocent self-defense killer.
unjustifiable
What if its justifiable but illegal?
Then you become an enemy of the state and get perp walked on the news for something that happens in major cities every day.
So you’re only a net positive if you murder more than 1 murderer. Because if you murder a murderer then you become a murderer and we’re net 0 on murderers. But the more murderers you murder, the more negative that murder number becomes.
You know they say “2 wrongs don’t make a right” – yes – but maybe a dozen wrongs could.
If you murder someone who’s about to commit murder, wouldn’t it be safe to say you just save a life?
I think that means it evens out and doesn’t count against you. Loophole!
Isn’t the whole point of The Good Place that it’s not really possible to boil things down to “good” or “bad”? It’d get you closer to The Bad Place but that doesn’t necessarily mean it was a bad thing to do.
After Cain killed Abel god said not to kill Cain
why would I give a fuck what god thinks?
OP’s question specifically mentions a “good place” and a “bad place.” This implies some higher power or powers. If they exist; and if there is indeed an eternal afterlife; and if the difference is existing in eternally pleasure or existing in eternal torment; then you’d be a deranged fool to not care what god thinks.
Pascal’s Wager says that the rational decision is to be devout. The flaw in his logic is that there are a great many religions, and you can apply the same wager to Islam, to Buddhism, to Thelema*, and by Pascal’s own logic the only reasonable decision is to be devout to all of them at once, which is impossible.
- Thelema might be the exception here, because Satanism has very few rules that penalize you for breaking them. “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law” allows you to be a Mormon, if you want. The best hope for most of us is that Thelema is the One True Religion.
I am already an ordained dudeist priestess, I think it suits me just fine.
Really? Howdy! I’m an ordained priest in the Church of Bacon. I’ve performed two weddings as such, even; I didn’t get ordained for no reason. Both marriages are still holding, so I count those as wins.
I’m also an ordained Discordian priest, but that happened back in the 80’s and I don’t think I have any record of it. There may have been a number of pharmaceuticals involved.
