• alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    21 days ago

    The continuing American embargo on Cuba after the Cold War has always been toddler tantrum level of pettiness.

    I thought Obama had finally closed that chapter, but I was wrong.

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        21 days ago

        Soooo wtf are these Cubans thinking? These embargoes hurt the people in Cuba. So Cubans in Florida are basically Republican women? As in, they’d gladly hurt those like them as long as they can feel superior?

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          21 days ago

          Absolutely. See also: increasingly conservative Mexicans in US border states who support building a wall.

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            Its the “pull up the ladder” phenomenon. You even see it in places you wouldn’t expect, like US workers opposing student loan forgiveness proposals because they had to pay, and want to make damn sure everyone else has to go through the pain that they did.

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              Yet I’m called childish when I say the student loan forgiveness shit was just a cheap grab of public support. It is not actually doing anything to prevent further accumulation of more debt for future students.

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            I watched an immigrant buy the house across the street and turn it into a compound, build a business with undocumented folk he kept in campers outside his house, and now that its established he ditched the campers, flys Trump flags, and advocates for mass deportation.

            The “I got mine” mentality is strong.

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          The ones that made it to Florida were the former ownership class that had the choice of staying to face trial for their crimes against the Cuban people, or get on the boat. Occasionally a “politically persecuted” person or group would “escape” in later years. Usually these people either helped the CIA with their destabilization attempts or were just ordinary criminals that fled prosecution like many Americans go to Russia to do. The US was more than happy to accept both groups without any vetting as that helped their narrative that Castro was a tyrant making up charges.

          Floridian Cubans, Gusanos, hate communism for the same reason anyone in the parasite class hates communism; they’re mad the playing field was leveled and they had to answer for their crimes against humanity.

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      21 days ago

      From everything I’ve read over time - it’s not even the US that holds a grudge, it’s been popular on both sides of politics to end the embargo.

      But neither will since it means losing the massive voting bloc of Cuban-Americans in Florida, Florida itself often being a decider of US elections. They don’t want the embargo to end and anyone who supports ending it losses their vote.

      Their reasons seem to vary, from the worst being wealthy land owners who had their lands taken by Castro only wanting relations normalised if they get their land back to the more common escapees who don’t want to normalise relations with the ‘Castro government’ ever, that Cuba needs to ditch the regime first.

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        21 days ago

        Florida hasn’t been a swing state in years, and it’s not like Cuban Americans are ever going to vote Democrat regardless.

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          21 days ago

          There is no reason to further antagonize Cuban expats for zero political gain elsewhere in the US. No other major voting block in the US gives a shit about Cuba.

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      20 days ago

      Silly and grudge are very interesting terms to describe an illegal embargo that brings millions in the brink of starvation and poverty.

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    21 days ago

    Embarrassing country to live within, but Hitler talk and our genocidal crusaders state make us the evil of greater proportions now.

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    20 days ago

    Just imagine if the UN had teeth for enforcement, at least for overwhelming votes like this. I feel like its one of the biggest oversights of the post WWII order they tried to make.

    Big countries, of course, would never allow that, but still.

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    I used to believe that the Cuba embargo is due to Cuban refugee vote in Florida.

    But that doesn’t make sense anymore given that Florida is no longer a swing state. In fact it never really made sense since the demo that is very pro-embargo has always been solidly Republican and therefore unwinnable.

    So what really explains the embargo? Quite frankly I think it’s banana republic foreign policy and wealthy people in the US not wanting there to be a successful socialist state. For instance, the recent energy crisis in Cuba is driven by the Biden administration sanctioning oil tankers who visit the island. Why on earth would the supposedly pro-Cuba democrats do that? Who asked them to do that? Who had the clout to make them do that? Some losers in Florida who were going to vote for Trump in a red state anyway?

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    21 days ago

    The author needs to learn the difference between a blockade and an embargo. Cuba hasn’t been under blockade since the end of the missile crisis.

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      It’s very much a blockade in practice since it prevents the vast majority of companies of any country from trading with Cuba.

      There are very few companies that would survive competition by sacrificing trade with the nearby US to trade with Cuba instead the way the “embargo” forces them to.

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        That’s an embargo.

        A blockade is military stopping traffic. “Effectively a blockade” is an embargo.

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      An embargo would imply its just America that can’t trade with Cuba. In reality, almost nobody can trade with Cuba, because any ship that does cannot enter American ports to trade with America.

      It may not be a blockade by the dictionary definition, but it’s certainly not just an embargo.

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    21 days ago

    What worse can Orange buffoon do to the world. At least with him in the helm the world will understand the truth US doesnt care about anyone or anything but itself.

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      21 days ago

      He can, in fact, make a lot of stuff worse. And I promise you, he will if he gets the chance.

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          In some ways, maybe. But I think a destruction of the US would also cause a lot of problems.

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            Yes, a controlled dismantlement would be better than collapse, and proletarian revolution would be best, but currently there’s not much prospects for either of those, so:

            “There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.” ― Mark Twain, A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court

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      21 days ago

      Comments like this are one of a few things.

      Bad faith, and useful idiots intentionally trying to keep people from wanting to go out and vote, which only helps MAGAts.

      And dumbass, blind as shit privileged people who think nothing has changed in the last decade because you’re simply not part of the target groups yet.

      Life is so much worse for so many people because of Trump and to pretend like it wouldn’t get worse with a second presidency (you know, the one where they intend to destroy democracy and the voting process and have said as much and have documents detailing how they plan to do it) is simply idiotic.

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        21 days ago

        Hell even on the issue of Cuba specifically, during his presidency Trump chose to undo the progress Obama had made. He has already made it worse

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        20 days ago

        But democracy and the voting process brought us Trump! It brought us genocide, it brought us child separation, it brought us the CIA, it brought us children in solitary confinement, it brought us the police force, it brought us Vietnam, it brought us nuking Japanese civilians, it brought us indigenous genocide, it brought us Flint, it brought us the highest rate of incarceration in the world over the last century.

        What does destroying US democracy and US voting actually, materially, change?