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    @theunknownmuncher The US has been involved in probably 300 regime changes throughout the world, has invaded many countries, including those that we were not affiliated with. Russia invades a neighboring country when we install a leader that is going to allow us to put missiles on their border. I really hate to see political hegemony get in the way of a good collaborative effort, we all suffer for it if we allow this.

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      The US has been involved in probably 300 regime changes throughout the world, has invaded many countries, including those that we were not affiliated with.

      Absolutely fair point. I agree with you on this portion of your comment.

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        @theunknownmuncher And I could give countless other examples of other countries. I don’t agree with the war, but I also know if we hadn’t installed Zelenskyy and if the United States had honored our promise to Russia not to extend NATO past East Germany, then it would not have happened. So I understand that it is hardly one sided on Russias part. If we didn’t fund Ukraine, if we didn’t offer them membership in NATO, none of this would have happened. And I’ll add if the Ukraine and Russia did not have large oil reserves and some other precious minerals, the United States would be a lot less interested in them. But that’s all in the past. Now, you and I can disagree with each other and we can disagree with what our governments do, but if we want to build a better world it has to happen through the cooperative efforts of citizens NOT governments because the latter just historically a lot less likely to happen. So I can’t see this move as at all productive towards ending this particular war or world peace in general, I see it as quite the opposite.

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          Wait, what?? Zelenskyy took office after being democratically elected in 2019. Russia invaded Ukraine and annexed the Crimea region of Ukraine in 2014. Your timeline does not check out there.

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                Your perfective only make sense if we assume that Putin is retarded(what he propably is) because Ukraine couldn’t join NATO(Crimea) and now Finland is at NATO because that war, and Putin said that he don’t care that Finland is in NATO, I can only came to the conclusion that he didn’t care about NATO in Russia border, he just wanted to genocide ukranians, or die as the one who brought back Russia empire

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                  ALL conflicts involve at least two sides

                  Okay then, so describe the 2 sides and the punishments they deserved during the Nazi Germany invasion of Poland/Europe and the holocaust. I hate to bring Nazis into it as an argument, but you did say “ALL” and it easily shows how ridiculous that take is.

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                    Nazi germany came into being a thing because post great war was massively hard on germans in large part to the treaty of versailles completely crippling germany’s economy.

                    ofc there were other factors like the massive propaganda machine, Germany was effectively reduced to a slave state dealt a massive blow to the pride of the german populace which was fairly easy to turn young men militant alone, even disregarding the disastrous effects to the German economy.

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          So why did Russiactaje Crimera? Saying this wouldn’t have happened is BS. Russia I expected a quick and decisive victory.

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      there is simply no meaningful response to this

      no matter whether you think russia is justified in invading ukraine or not, if russians get banned from the kernel bc russia invaded ukraine, yankees have to get the boot as well

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        if russians get banned from the kernel bc russia invaded ukraine

        You should read the article because this is not a thing that has occurred, at least not yet.

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          my understanding was that the kernel didn’t publicly state any specific reason, but “complying to sanctions” semms like a safe bet to me

          in any case, whatever the reason, this removal is unfortunate and uncalled for

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            @bunitor That would be my take. My take is that as individuals we are were international cooperation needs to begin, it isn’t going to happen with our governments, at least it never has historically.

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              We had international cooperation but the world is splintering now. Might be some security concerns but also think some of it is America protecting its companies from China companies.