Someone is going to need to pull a lot of weight in planning, organizing, and leading these meetings, presentations, and projects.

I’ve never managed a project before, but assume we should gather everyone who is interested by sending out some sort of survey. It would be good to have knowledge about what people are interested in learning, send out my ideas of how this should be structured, and ask for general comments. These could be about the final project, individual time commitment, references, philosophy of learning, etc. I’m thinking 8 weeks could be a good place to start. How should this survey be sent out to others? I want to choose a service that doesn’t encroach on user privacy since we are on Lemmy. The same is to be asked of a communal repository. I don’t want to use Google Drive.

What would we need to do on our first meeting together?

Saturday mornings or Monday evenings (Pacific US Time) are some thoughts. The sessions could be between 1 and 2 hours depending on the engagement.

This is a what I mean by someone pulling a lot of weight, a teacher carousel has a slim to none chance of working out. One person is going to need to define and implement the vast majority of the curriculum. They’ll need to do a lot of research and work in advance.

I’d like to ascertain this information in the survey if anyone with expertise in particular programming domains would like to lend their expertise and put together a short slide deck. Otherwise, I’m okay to deep-dive on topics we agree on, find a healthy amount of literature as resources, and brainstorm a way that each subtopic could be useful in the grander scheme of the project. So that there is some type of cohesive narrative to this endeavor.

Hope that’s a good starting point.

Thanks for the code example. I tried going through web3 awhile back with HTML, but need to go through at least 60% more of the course and examples they provided on the website.

I’m a bit confused on what a server is, past “someone else’s computer” or “another computer” or “a machine elsewhere that is able to take and receive requests”. When you write a “GET” request, is this pulling from another file on your machine locally, but still using the HTML framework and WASM to have “Piece of code 1” talk to “Piece of code 2”? And this all happens locally on the same machine you’re using?

Currently I’m using the Kate IDE editor since Neovim made me hurl my lunch. Spyder was what I used for Python, but it can’t be used with more than one language unfortunately. I’d assume programs with functions provided by Electron are able to cache what they retrieve… Is the “server” downloaded alongside the application, therefore not requiring WiFi connection to use the application?

Hope my questions aren’t too out in left-field and thanks again for your response!

Definitely will, I appreciate the support :) I’ll hop onto the Rust form after I’ve read the book with some questions.

That looks like a helpful guide to go through as well. I’m not too familiar with compiling/building/making (only the general notions)… In the past, I’ve abandoned programming projects because I got bogged down in the semantics of the documentation.

Should I stick to drawing high-level flowcharts pursuing a “make this” Occam’s Razor type philosophy and just condition myself to abandon unnecessary pedantic details? Just trying to make sure I follow through with my programming project this time instead of getting overwhelmed!

I’ve had murmurs of Rust throughout my time here… I’ll give it a try and attempt to make a barebones application with buttons.

Once I’ve either failed catastrophically or have created something to be reviewed, I’ll report back.

Thanks!

Never have heard of Poetry, but I’ll check it out tonight! I pretty much exclusively coded in Python and Julia up until I got out of uni. I learned after a couple of months of insanity swapping kernels, init systems, distributions and learning everything about file systems only leads to further insanity and productivity hindrance.

Something something recommending someone who doesn’t know what a shell is to use emacs and make a Lua/Neovim config. Thanks for the tip!

Memes like this make me ever more confused about my own software work flow. I’m in engineering so you can already guess my coding classes were pretty surface level at least at my uni and CC

Conda is what I like to use for data science but I still barely understand how to maintain a package manager. Im lowkey a bot when it comes to using non-GUI programs and tbh that paradigm shift has been hard after 18 years of no CLI usage.

The memes are pretty educational though

I want to get better at using TUIs and all the lot of lighter-weight software, but I’ve quite frankly been too stupid to learn it.

I downloaded Gentoo onto an old Chromebook with the Mr Chromebox script. Currently am trying to make it into a sandbox for me to learn more about how init systems, compilers, and other lower level OS details.

Other than reading the Wikis, are there any projects that you’d suggest to increase one’s ability in those realms? Thanks!

I’d love it if they made a movie on Mel. The guy who coded a magnetic drum completely by hand.

He’d memorized a gazillion opcodes and tuned the drum to do better even before compilers had been implemented. He just didn’t trust them so he refused to use the compiler lol

I’ll check those out and see if I can get a good workflow going for it.

I wanted my first web project to be a static site since I really only need a blog at this point in time. The use case for my blog really would be to write about chemistry and chemical engineering stuff I think is cool. Having a worksheet repository for my students as well that they could access with some encryption so the access is restricted. I’d love to try the fancy stuff on websites, I just need to get the poison of “JavaScript is spyware” out of my head.

It’s pretty disorienting to figure out the “right” way of learning web development after the loads of slander I’ve seen in memes. Im sure youve seen the same about React, JavaScript, and something about “NodeJS”. I wasn’t really too aware of software other than doing calculations on data collected from DAQs. Any resources you’d recommend to check out?

I guess I should ask the question, what exactly is all the fuss about surrounding some of the frameworks? I definitely can see the argument about adding more layers of abstraction can obfuscate the underlying mechanisms of the codes thus increasing the amount of potential vulnerabilities. Particular companies and developers turning evil is also. But some of the rhetoric becomes “They’ll put a miner for your crypto” “They’ll siphon every facet of information about you”. The most bizarre I read was how to figure out the outline of 3D objects surrounding the user via the pattern in white noise detected by an interference pattern.

Histrionics aside, is there a good resource that I can read that dismisses common falsehoods that is generally reflective of what constitutes a " good" framework? Thanks for the help!

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Follow the rabbit holes! You never really know where they go.

I completely agree with this one! Been awhile since this comment was posted, but I’ve had a great deal of fun with Pop!_OS after I nearly went mad. I used my arch system for about 2 months exclusively. Right now I’m dual booting it and Windows. I’m exploring Windows with new eyes again just so see what exactly was abstracted away from me and I’m just using it to get work done more efficiently.

Thanks for the initial advice :) I’m working towards using only a Linux system and I learned I liked Debian as well. Ubuntu, Mint, and OpenSUSE didn’t really feel the way I wanted them to, and I still was piecing together concepts that were fuzzy from my 20 years of Windows usage getting in the way.

Currently trying to get Gentoo onto a Chromebook and got curious about hypervisors so a new rabbit hole has reared its head…

I’d give it a try! It has been quite fun to have a Linux system and to finally feel more comfortable with the Unix-like way of using a computer. It has greatly simplified a lot of things I needed to do when I was in uni, such as uploading and processing data from a DAC as well as the simplified way of managing packages and CLI workflows. I never knew how many times the task just needed a solution with a Regex in it, but it takes one awhile to learn it.

It feels weird to go from being a lifelong Windows user to using Linux. Unfortunately, I chose Arch to be the distribution I’d struggle with because I was too stubborn to give up. Now that I’m a little more comfortable with systems, I’ve been hopping around tinkering in different virtual machines. It took quite some time before I felt I got fluid enough with the CLI, but it makes everything feel like a text adventure game! It’s so nice to be more comfortable with Vim when I need to do systems work, access servers remotely via SSH, or navigate the system more easily. I never thought you could agnostically open files, so that was nice to learn. It’s impressive the beast of programming problems that needed to be solved before one could have a seamless in-home system. I can’t imagine shuffling magnetic tape through a dinosaur, or the hoops you’d have to jump through and technical knowledge to use a PDP-10 or older computer. Lots of respect for the gurus who can speak in tongues for those machines :) Thanks for the advice, never knew immutable OSs were a thing.

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Thanks for the explanation! I always wondered why would describe hooks so trivially. I’m still bleaching my brain of the Windows habits I developed from lifs-long usage.

I looked a little more into hooks, and am curious if a patch can kind of be like a hook? Where you create a config file that has symlinks to all the executables like you mentioned? Still a noob when it comes to software creation :D

I’ve seen the term “hooks” used all the time and have always wondered what the need for them is. I was a Windows user my entire life since childhood and recently rectified that a couple months ago.

Unlearning the Windows paradigm of operating systems has been annoying. So many functional aspects of my machine abstracted away made me have to create an entirely new scaffold for learning technology…

Personally, I’d enjoy if the class had an aside about how the display graphics are used to render graphics in something like Groff vs. a desktop environment like GNOME or KDE.

Also, emphasize that your students could choose vim/neovim or emacs to edit text rather than nano.

I really like the comparison to drawing and the gap between what I’m seeing in my head and my actual ability to carry out the task! Something hypnotized me when I first got introduced to the world of free software. Initially I started out learning LaTeX to make math worksheets for my tutees because Microsoft Word made me want to violently smash my keyboard. Further rabbit-holing and forum-crawling convinced me that I needed to download Arch or else it simply “wasn’t worth it”, which is completely wrong in itself.

Never have heard of a LAMP stack, but I’ll check it out. I’ll try to persevere through frustration and just look at errors as a way of learning from my mistakes. Eventually I hope to have a grander control and understanding of my devices, but this will just come with time. Thanks for the encouragement!