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Not to internet theorists, no.
Not to internet theorists, no.
I never said genocide and neither did the other commenter. You did, specifically because the human rights abuses the UN did find don’t constitute genocide.
I also found a primary source report after like 3 mins of looking https://newlinesinstitute.org/rules-based-international-order/genocide/the-uyghur-genocide-an-examination-of-chinas-breaches-of-the-1948-genocide-convention/
Also, the guardian article very explicitly gives some points about the UN report in case you didn’t want to read it:
Five key points from the UN report on Xinjiang human rights abuses
Crimes against humanity
The top line of the UN high commissioner for human rights (OHCHR) report is that the commissioner’s office found credible evidence of torture and other human rights abuses that were likely to be “crimes against humanity”.
The report included allegations of people being strapped by their hands and feet to a “tiger chair” and beaten, women raped, and others held in extended solitary confinement. Others appeared to have been waterboarded, as the report described individuals “being subjected to interrogation with water being poured in their faces”.
Anti-extremism
The report was highly critical of the Chinese government’s anti-extremism doctrine, which underpins the crackdown. It said the laws and regulations were vague and ill-defined, open to individual interpretation, and blurred the line between indicators of concern and suspected criminality. Both categories also contained a copious number of benign acts classed as extremism despite having no connection to it, such as having a beard or a social media account.
Such indicators may simply be “the manifestation of personal choice in the practice of Islamic religious beliefs and/or legitimate expression of opinion” it said.
Accusations of extremism could result in people being referred to detention facilities at multiple stages along the investigative process by police, prosecutors or the courts. Arbitrary detention
The report found there was an acute risk of arbitrary detention and that it was “reasonable to conclude that a pattern of large-scale arbitrary detention occurred in [vocational education and training centre] facilities, at least during 2017 to 2019”. It pushed back on Beijing’s claims that the facilities were schools or training centres where participants were free to join and leave. The report said such “placements” amounted to a form of deprivation of liberty.
“A deprivation of liberty occurs when a person is being held without his or her consent,” it said.
“Consistent accounts obtained by the OHCHR, however, indicate a lack of free and informed consent to being placed in the centres; that it is impossible for an individual detained in such a heavily guarded centre to leave of their own free will.”
Two-thirds of the former detainees interviewed by the OHCHR reported being subject to treatment that would amount to torture or other forms of ill-treatment. Forced labour
The report also pushed back on China’s rejection of forced labour accusations, finding them to appear discriminatory in nature or effect, and to involve elements of coercion. It said the labour schemes were closely linked to the anti-extremism framework and arbitrary detention, which “raises concerns in terms of the extent to which such programmes can be fully voluntary”. Forced medication and sexual abuse
Detainees were also forced to take medication or injections without explanation of what it was. It noted persistent claims of sexual abuse and violence in the facilities, and government denials which often used “personal or gendered attacks” against the women reporting allegations.
The report also found the Chinese government made a “clear link between frequency in child births and religious ‘extremism’”. It said there were “credible indications of violations of reproductive rights through the coercive enforcement of family planning policies”, including allegations of forced abortions, contraception and sterilisation. It noted Xinjiang’s rate of sterilisation was 243 procedures for every 100,000 inhabitants, compared with a national average of 32.
Check the links I’ve provided.
The UN and HRW say you’re wrong.
Besides that, you’ve posted literally zero evidence of any of your claims
I will literally follow you around this site and continue to prove you wrong because I’m sick and tired of your bs tbh. Seen you purporting false information way too many times.
Glad to see that Amnesty International is apparently not a third party source that’s confirmed this occurrence.
Do you live on the same planet that I do?
Just to provide some more info on the human rights abuses being carried out against Uyghurs (you might want to learn the english spelling of the group you’re denying the abhorrent treatment of without using the Cyrillic derived one in the future, it will add to your propaganda’s credibility):
https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-post/uyghurs-credible-case-china-carrying-out-genocide
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/china-xinjiang-uyghurs-muslims-repression-genocide-human-rights
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/31/china-unrelenting-crimes-against-humanity-targeting-uyghurs
The Chinese government has committed a series of ongoing human rights abuses against Uyghurs and other ethnic and religious minorities in Xinjiang that is often characterized as genocide. Beginning in 2014, the Chinese government, under the administration of Chinese Communist Party (CCP) General Secretary Xi Jinping, incarcerated more than an estimated one million Turkic Muslims without any legal process in internment camps. Operations from 2016 to 2021 were led by Xinjiang CCP Secretary Chen Quanguo.[2] It is the largest-scale detention of ethnic and religious minorities since World War II.[3][4] The Chinese government began to wind down the camps in 2019. Amnesty International states that detainees have been increasingly transferred to the formal penal system.
Is this the thing you’re calling false? It’s true that it’s not as deadly as what Israel is doing, but that doesn’t make it less fucked. Pls try harder, propagandist.
It’s actually two people that are “familiar with the move” and whose names aren’t printed. I’m not super convinced by that tbh.
Secondly, if this company was actually close to this technology, why would they not be talking about it? This would be a huge boon for Chinese tech, and that’s not the type of thing that normally comes from two randos to an international organization and is usually like a press release or something.
Couldn’t stop thinking about what you said about Huawei’s 7nm chips so I decided to investigate and would you look at that it only took me 10 seconds to find out you’re wrong: https://consumer.huawei.com/en/press/news/2018/huawei-launches-kirin-980-the-first-commercial-7nm-soc/
Nobody is profiting off the tldr bot so they’re completely incomparable and you’ve shown just how out of your element you are in this discussion.
125 ain’t even that high like wut. That’s like 3+% of the population lmao
Armed struggle against foreign occupation usually doesn’t involve shooting up music festivals AFAIK. Both sides are in serious breach of international law and it’s kinda important to recognize that.
Yes I understand the power dynamics and history. No that doesn’t make Hamas equal to the Palestinian people or make them symbolic of their struggle in any way. Hamas was literally brought to power by Netanyahu so that they’d do something like this so that Israel could eventually displace all of Gaza and the rest of the Palestinians.
It’s like if Ukraine decided to bomb a Russian music festival near the border before Russia invaded and committed dozens of war crimes. They still did a war crime too that cannot be overlooked.
This is terrifyingly similar to the denial of the Kosavan genocide by leftists just because the government that did it was the last communist one in Europe. (Looking at you, Chomsky)
Go see them to support them. That’s the only way most bands make their money anyway. I’m friends with a member of a successful bluegrass band and they get just about zip from streaming and just about all their money from merch and ticket sales.
While this guy criticizes them from his mom’s basement
hates America
*is chinaboo *
Lmaooo
Yeah I don’t really mind arguing with people calling for mindless violence. I do think it’s important to argue with them, regardless of the situation in Palestine, (which I have exactly zero way of affecting either positively or negatively.)
Your fake outrage and inability to think about the larger picture is cute.
See next sentence. Do you normally have trouble reading more than one sentence in succession? Or is this a new phenomenon?
No thanks I’ll just keep winning arguments against the deluded fools that can’t accept anything outside their echo chamber as valid and moved to hexbear bc of it.
Yes they are absolutely going to be wiped out in response to the horrific recent actions of Hamas. It’s absolutely terrible, but a fourth grader could have seen it coming.
Also, stop painting Palestine and Hamas as the same portrait. They simply aren’t.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Abu_Awwad#:~:text=Ali Abu Awwad
It’s almost like Hamas doesn’t actually represent Palestine and won the election by a 40% plurality in the mid 2000s and haven’t run an election since then. It’s almost like this little thing called nuance exists. It’s almost like I can denounce Hamas while also denouncing the IDF without it being anything related to “all sides bad”.
Believe it or not you can take a stance in support of Palestine without supporting mindless violence. Eg: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Abu_Awwad#:~:text=Ali Abu Awwad
It’s not “both sides bad”
It’s “murder of civilians and children is murder of civilians and children, even when it’s an oppressed group fighting back against oppressors.”
The fact that you can’t tell the difference tells me a lot. I’d also argue that it shows you to be the unprincipled one.
Not comparable. The white moderates that King was talking about here intended for time to do the work of social change. I’m not saying Palestinians should just wait around and get genocided, just that acts of violence against civilians aren’t going to do anything meaningful except lead to more loss of life.
Try some reading comprehension on for size btw. In the first sentence of the comment you replied to I say that occupied peoples absolutely have the right to struggle against their oppressor, just not the right to murder civilians indiscriminately.
Taiwanese*