The fact that making significant sacrifices in abandoning many of the decadent comforts of this period at our only habitat’s irreparable (on a human timescale) damage expense is met with ridicule shows how determined we are to wreck this place.

Imagine mass famines and frequent catastrophic weather events a couple generations from now. I’m guessing they’ll look at us being above living with our once kind, nurturing habitat with disdain and bewilderment when they’re steeped in the fruits of our lifestyles.

Im not saying going back to the dark ages, im not advocating rejecting knowledge, only the rushing around and consumerism. There’s no more reasonable room for growth, growth is killing us, and robbing us of meaning.

If we can’t live with this paradise, the idea of us spreading to hostile, unforgiving worlds within reach like Mars or Titan is a bad joke. Unlike the infinite mistakes we get to keep making here without instant death, one major mistake out there where we didn’t evolve, and poof everybody dead instantly thanks for playing space faring civilization. That isn’t a game humans can pull off. Maybe some small crew of exceptional people, but certainly not a colony of regular people.

This is what we got. So yeah, maybe spending our time whittling stuff we need and moving at the speed of horse would be better for humanity long term than racing to grow our GDP into extinction.

Whats the endgame of all this growth and “innovation” if it wasn’t killing us as it is? To have Google ad AI generated amalgums of our dead relatives transmitted directly into our brains to convince us to buy more crap?

It does, but if a catastrophic war, including one with nuclear weapons, brought us down to 2 billion from 9, those nukes wouldn’t even touch the current course of heavy industry of 9 billion that we recklessly became without a thought in the world about whether our only habitat could support it.

Because shooting wars end, even if through attrition. Industry just keeps metastizing if you let it, and pretty lies like “but we planted trees! That evens out all the shit we’re pumping in the air and water!” are just pretty lies.

If we cared about our species having a future, heavy industry would be scaled back to food/medicine, we could sow our own clothes, go back to horses, breed less, communaly build our own structures, and whittle our own shelf crap, and we could perhaps still provide a future to subsequent generations. We do not.

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Our God here in the US is Mammon, even though he usually goes by other names; rational self-interest, the invisible hand, etc.

Mammon would never let genocide get in the way of glorious profit.

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😂😭😂

It helps that we’re still ran by geriatrics that literally have no stake in the world beyond the short term.

And American geriatrics largely despise the generations that came after them. Most not only don’t want to plant trees whose shade they will never sit in, like those in a decent society would, they want to burn the trees they sat under out of spite and vanity. This tree is theirs, and all those trees over there! Make your own trees, filthy taker future people!

This is where encouraging greed and selfishness, oh I’m sorry, “rugged individualism and rational-self-interest” as our core cultural values leads, oblivion.

The consumer/employee is livestock to the owner class, to be exploited at both ends, and discarded when it is exploited to the point it can no longer produce.

The economy doesn’t care what people aka consumers want anymore. At shareholder insistence, they sabotage the future for a short term stock boost, knowing infinite growth on a finite world is over. This is terminal stage capitalism, and it’s not just gonna be Wendy’s, or in the food sector. The snake is eating its own tail as the scam runs out of room.

Capital markets were sold as seed funding to grow businesses, now they dismantle business ability to provide the product/service they existed for in the first place at any remotely decent quality. Economies are supposed to be lowly tools, existing solely to benefit and serve society, a method to more efficiently distribute goods/services within said society. The tail is wagging the dog.

🔥Line must go up!🔥

Close enough.

And the punishment? More money for their genocide. Let that be a lesson to them, don’t make us cut you another blood soaked check!

I would say history won’t be kind, but the longer I live, the more I realize humans are just intrinsically cruel and are a blight upon the Earth. Just another mistake of evolution, like the mass extinction that was caused by a build up of trees capturing too much carbon before the bacteria that could break them down had evolved. We seem to exist to make on another suffer trying to fuck one another over to “win,” while not giving shit one about the collateral damage on all the other species that live here that have nothing to do with our perpetual war on ourselves.

The longer I stare at humanity just doing what humanity does, the more I identify as a misanthrope.

Ever notice how anytime someone accuses Israel of something, Israel says it’s antisemitic?

Sounds like something an antisemite would say!

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You’re 100% correct.

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Only so our corporations can metastasize all over you and privatize your nation’s generated value for themselves so they can build support support mega yachts for their support mega yachts that support their mega-mega yachts.

If it makes you feel better, it just makes the wealthy oppressors of most Americans more powerful. But agreed, my country is the baddie.

And as private shareholders they demand those oil companies maximize irresponsible profit at the planet’s expense.

When you own something, you bear responsibility for it. Not legally sadly, because these criminals make the laws, but in every other sense.

You don’t get to own oil stock and then credibly claim you aren’t the problem. No one puts a gun to anyone’s head and says take the stake in blood money.

Ultimately all the Nazi’s scapegoating was merely a means for for those they saw as the best people to expand their power and dominion as well.

I don’t take this as a lesson about the Jewish people specifically being bad, I take this as the historically belabored lesson that humanity at large isn’t worth saving from its own many self-inflicted crises brought on by greed and power lust using technologies we never, ever cared to respect since their inceptions. We don’t respect or care for this earth, or even ourselves amongst ourselves, despite our great power of invention we wield as irresponsibly as a orangutan with a shotgun.

Bring on the climate change. Bring on the AGI. The Earth will weather it as it has every prior mass extinction. Hell, the Devonian mass extinction was ALSO the result of a runaway evolutionary mistake, we aren’t the first attack on Earth’s biome from within due to catastrophic evolutionary consequences, and we likely won’t be the last. Other creatures will suffer, yes, but at least if we are thwarted, that suffering will have an end at some point. Plus they already are. We decimate ecosystems to build strip malls, and stick the handful of species we find cute or some utility in in cages for humans to gawk at and/or labs to bisect. Then we declare them protected.

As long as we continue to have dominion over surface life, including ourselves, the needless suffering of this planet and most of humanity BY the privileged class of humans dejour will be without end, because we are deeply, intrinsically, irrevocably broken, cruel, and self-destructive.

Oh and this current conflict, here’s further evidence we also refuse to learn even from recent, intimate, traumatic history. Everyone biding their time, waiting for their turn to punch down. A whole bunch of new cruel people, being cruel to some other people, who’ll end up being cruel to them.

Then we dream of cooperating to a degree that we can develop a presence on other more hostile worlds, when we can’t even consider peace on the only one, and an abundant one at that, perfectly suited to our biological needs. What a joke.

"What if we reframed the work we force them to do at these camps as the means to set themselves free?"

Sure quick to conveniently forget recent history for a people that belabor the sacred importance of theirs.

All hail market capitalism!

Turns out muh free market IS the solution to all human crises.

Can’t have human crises without humans, after all.