The monotheistic all powerful one.

  • Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    I think that’s their point; they’re saying that’s what God did. He “created a universe in which there was no such thing as evil or suffering and [gave] people in that universe free will.”

    And humans screwed it up.

    I’m not saying that, mind you. I’m saying I think you just agreed with the person you’re debating as a proof that they were wrong.

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      1 year ago

      It doesn’t matter what you tack on, it doesn’t change my point — the only way humans could “screw it up” is if God made all the negative and horrible shit part of the universe. All you are saying is that God made a universe where there was no evil or suffering actively happening, but the concepts existed and were possible — because they ultimately happened and only possible things happen. And God chose to make them possible things as omnipotent creator of everything that exists.

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        Wait, so this God gives me true free will, and then places me in a world where I can’t change anything? Everything is fixed, immovable? Or where I only have “good” choices available? Is that what you think God should have done? Like, how does your version even work?

        Or does God give us fake free will, and keep our minds from thinking “bad” thoughts?

        If I’m free, I can screw up. Otherwise, I’m not free.