A hacked database from AI companion site Muah.ai exposes peoples' particular kinks and fantasies they've asked their bot to engage in. It also shows many of them are trying to use the platform to generate child abuse material.
If you folks knew how common pedophilic fantasies are amongst the general public, you would be shocked. Just look to cultures like Japan and Russia that don’t strongly condemn such things, and you’ll find it’s about 15% of the population. It’s only less in the West because of the near homicidal stigma attached to it that makes people vigorously hide that part of themselves.
Fortunately, this also shows that the vast majority of those people don’t offend.
We also tend to define pedophilia as “anything sexual involving a minor”, while reacting to it as if it means “violent rape of a toddler”, so no shit, we sexualize youth all the time, the 18 year mark is a legal and social formality, not a hard limit on human attraction. Adults will find themselves attracted to teens, and they won’t reveal that because who the fuck ever would?
If anything, the issue isn’t that people have these attractions and fantasies, it is that some portion of those people can’t separate fantasy from reality and are willing to hurt a child to get what they want, or they are sociopaths that consume child porn without feeling disgust for witnessing horrific child abuse.
I think the common incest fantasy in the west isn’t too far removed from this too. Like all the actors are above age minimums but they pretend to be step kids or babysitters like these roles aren’t commonly associated with children and older teens. It’s clearly a form of deflection IMO.
It probably stuck from the time when porn was becoming a bit more normal to watch, so it still had some nominal plot initially. Still gender roles with women being at home busy with washing machines and all such, or babysitting.
As the other comment implies, that’s just the easiest plot to shove porn into. I don’t think that many people are watching it for the plot, it just happens to be there. Like, people aren’t fantasizing about becoming a plumber to fuck women instead of being paid, for example. It’s just a lazy plot because they need to give some reason for the scene.
I think there’s something to be said for how commonly these fantasies and plots feature specifically young or youthful stereotypes. I think there’s no denying that people are into that sort of thing.
For sure some people are into it. I know from my experience I don’t care for that plot. I still watch them because that’s 90% of porn now it seems, but I don’t pretend like it’s a teenager and a parent involved.
As far as I can tell, humanity has been attracted to young adulthood since at least the beginning of recorded history. I won’t know why we’re still pretending this is some strange or weird thing.
Personally I think the rise in incest porn has to do with the rise in isolationism. Lots of people, young men especially, are going out less and less and having more of their social interactions online. As a consequence of this, for a number of these men, the vast majority of the real life female interactions they get are from women in their own homes. And biology has a way of adapting, so I think a lot these men are getting confusing feelings about people in their own homes due largely just to lack of outside exposure to women.
to cultures like Japan and Russia that don’t strongly condemn such things
As someone from Russia - what?
Unless you mean being attracted to post-puberty, but pre-legal girls. That, ahem, makes sense biologically.
Girls of that age are sometimes kinda cruel to boys, though, so my personal teenage years trauma prevents me from dreaming of them. But if not for it, I think I would.
There is this thing that I feel is most prevalent in the USA, to call any attraction to a girl under the age of 18 pedophilia. Because that’s the age to star in porn. The term should truly be used for attraction to children. I think it’s an extension of the “pedo panic” where every man is assumed for some reason to be a child rapist now.
As such almost every young man could at some point be caught as a “pedophile”- 17 year olds sneak into clubs all the time, for example. 20 year old hooked up with one? Now he is considered a pedophile even if the actual age of consent is lower.
Meanwhile the porn industry glorifies “barely 18” girls as something highly desirable. It’s a little messed up to say the least.
Actual pedos who are into kids should be put in mental institutions. But I would strongly suspect that 15% stated just includes honest young men and creepy old men, none of which are truly pedophiles. That number is way too high.
Attraction yeah, I understood it as the act requiring consent from that text.
Attraction - it’d be virtually everyone I guess in one way or another. Asexuality is not the same as complete lack of romantic interest or even inability to enjoy physical parts.
The text are talking of branding attraction of <18 year olds as pedophilia, and didn’t talk about doing anything more than experiencing the attraction EDIT more than giving examples of where they may accidently hook up with a 17 year old who snuck into a 18+ bar and then getting the pedophilia treatment by society
I will admit that I don’t understand the the hardline stance some people take about legal/non legal dating. There is only a years difference between a 17 year old and an 18 year old. (even less depending on date of birth. Both of them have had the same life experiences as the other. But some screech that is sexual assault of a minor.
The even weirder argument is an age difference between a “legal” 18 year old (or whatever the legal age is in your country) and someone older. I’ve seen people online try to cancel someone just because he is 5 years older.
I don’t think people realize how quietly dangerous this is for women. It robs them of their agency to make their own informed decisions. This is just as insidious as people wanting to ban abortion, just a quieter argument.
“People are gonna be pedophiles whether we like it or not, so why are we bothering to do anything to highlight predatory behavior?”
If anything, the issue isn’t that people have these attractions and fantasies, it is that some portion of those people can’t separate fantasy from reality and are willing to hurt a child to get what they want, or they are sociopaths that consume child porn without feeling disgust for witnessing horrific child abuse.
Correct. That’s what the issue is. We should definitely make sure that we aren’t encouraging any kind of behavior that perpetuates the demand for CSAM.
This isn’t surprising, it’s inevitable.
If you folks knew how common pedophilic fantasies are amongst the general public, you would be shocked. Just look to cultures like Japan and Russia that don’t strongly condemn such things, and you’ll find it’s about 15% of the population. It’s only less in the West because of the near homicidal stigma attached to it that makes people vigorously hide that part of themselves.
Fortunately, this also shows that the vast majority of those people don’t offend.
We also tend to define pedophilia as “anything sexual involving a minor”, while reacting to it as if it means “violent rape of a toddler”, so no shit, we sexualize youth all the time, the 18 year mark is a legal and social formality, not a hard limit on human attraction. Adults will find themselves attracted to teens, and they won’t reveal that because who the fuck ever would?
If anything, the issue isn’t that people have these attractions and fantasies, it is that some portion of those people can’t separate fantasy from reality and are willing to hurt a child to get what they want, or they are sociopaths that consume child porn without feeling disgust for witnessing horrific child abuse.
I think the common incest fantasy in the west isn’t too far removed from this too. Like all the actors are above age minimums but they pretend to be step kids or babysitters like these roles aren’t commonly associated with children and older teens. It’s clearly a form of deflection IMO.
Could also be that those are the only porns with even a half assed attempt at a plot instead of just opening with a ground and pound
“I watch it for the plot, I wonder if they’ll ever get her unstuck”
“I just hope she will be able to afford her rent next month”
It probably stuck from the time when porn was becoming a bit more normal to watch, so it still had some nominal plot initially. Still gender roles with women being at home busy with washing machines and all such, or babysitting.
As the other comment implies, that’s just the easiest plot to shove porn into. I don’t think that many people are watching it for the plot, it just happens to be there. Like, people aren’t fantasizing about becoming a plumber to fuck women instead of being paid, for example. It’s just a lazy plot because they need to give some reason for the scene.
I think there’s something to be said for how commonly these fantasies and plots feature specifically young or youthful stereotypes. I think there’s no denying that people are into that sort of thing.
For sure some people are into it. I know from my experience I don’t care for that plot. I still watch them because that’s 90% of porn now it seems, but I don’t pretend like it’s a teenager and a parent involved.
I don’t mean just the “stepsister” stuff but overall the fascination with schoolgirls, babysitters and all that stuff.
As far as I can tell, humanity has been attracted to young adulthood since at least the beginning of recorded history. I won’t know why we’re still pretending this is some strange or weird thing.
Personally I think the rise in incest porn has to do with the rise in isolationism. Lots of people, young men especially, are going out less and less and having more of their social interactions online. As a consequence of this, for a number of these men, the vast majority of the real life female interactions they get are from women in their own homes. And biology has a way of adapting, so I think a lot these men are getting confusing feelings about people in their own homes due largely just to lack of outside exposure to women.
As someone from Russia - what?
Unless you mean being attracted to post-puberty, but pre-legal girls. That, ahem, makes sense biologically.
Girls of that age are sometimes kinda cruel to boys, though, so my personal teenage years trauma prevents me from dreaming of them. But if not for it, I think I would.
Toddlers are a completely different issue.
There is this thing that I feel is most prevalent in the USA, to call any attraction to a girl under the age of 18 pedophilia. Because that’s the age to star in porn. The term should truly be used for attraction to children. I think it’s an extension of the “pedo panic” where every man is assumed for some reason to be a child rapist now.
As such almost every young man could at some point be caught as a “pedophile”- 17 year olds sneak into clubs all the time, for example. 20 year old hooked up with one? Now he is considered a pedophile even if the actual age of consent is lower.
Meanwhile the porn industry glorifies “barely 18” girls as something highly desirable. It’s a little messed up to say the least.
Actual pedos who are into kids should be put in mental institutions. But I would strongly suspect that 15% stated just includes honest young men and creepy old men, none of which are truly pedophiles. That number is way too high.
Something is wrong with your stats. “Almost every” would be above 97%. Or if by “could” you mean it happening in a perfectly normal situation - yes.
OK, I don’t really like talking about that age and that subject. Just batch-commenting everything.
Id say that 97% of all 18 year olds has had attraction to 17 year olds is not a weird number, unless asexuality is more common than I thought
Attraction yeah, I understood it as the act requiring consent from that text.
Attraction - it’d be virtually everyone I guess in one way or another. Asexuality is not the same as complete lack of romantic interest or even inability to enjoy physical parts.
The text are talking of branding attraction of <18 year olds as pedophilia, and didn’t talk about doing anything more than experiencing the attraction EDIT more than giving examples of where they may accidently hook up with a 17 year old who snuck into a 18+ bar and then getting the pedophilia treatment by society
Ah. OK. Not a native speaker, thought that “hook up” means sex being involved, and getting said treatment from the judicial branch.
From the society - eh, some of us are so used to “the society” being in general their enemy, that we don’t even think that’s a problem.
Ah, and also a 16yo walking-kissing-whatever with a 19yo is more or less normal here.
I will admit that I don’t understand the the hardline stance some people take about legal/non legal dating. There is only a years difference between a 17 year old and an 18 year old. (even less depending on date of birth. Both of them have had the same life experiences as the other. But some screech that is sexual assault of a minor.
The even weirder argument is an age difference between a “legal” 18 year old (or whatever the legal age is in your country) and someone older. I’ve seen people online try to cancel someone just because he is 5 years older.
I don’t think people realize how quietly dangerous this is for women. It robs them of their agency to make their own informed decisions. This is just as insidious as people wanting to ban abortion, just a quieter argument.
It’s racism, due to his political alignment he can’t go after black people but Russians are fair game.
“People are gonna be pedophiles whether we like it or not, so why are we bothering to do anything to highlight predatory behavior?”
Correct. That’s what the issue is. We should definitely make sure that we aren’t encouraging any kind of behavior that perpetuates the demand for CSAM.
Does this though? Or does it reduce the demand for real CP?