• stoy@lemmy.zip
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    4 months ago

    No? That is exactly why I didn’t enter a date in my post…

    Putte did attack Crimea in 2014, that is what I consider the start of the current conflict.

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      Putte? Is this some language thing or an infantile baby name a la Putler?

      The roots of the conflict lie in the illegal dissolution of the Soviet Union

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        Putte is a Swedish name that is commonly used to talk down to a person, calling them small, it is similar to Putin, and I like insulting dickheads with imperial dreams.

        As for the “illegal” dissolution of the Soviet Union, that is a different discussion and happened 22 years before the invasion of Crimea, and can’t be used as an excuse for the invasion in any rational argument based in reality.

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        The remnants of your alcohol diluted brains lie in the Soviet Union. The dissolution of USSR was not illegal, the formation of it was.

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            4 months ago

            I should have probably said Soviet empire or whatever. Obviously I meant the aggressive expansion and funsie deals with nazies so they both get to commit their own little genocides

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              The Red Army stopped the Holocaust and saved the world from fascism while the western powers were playing with their dicks in Africa. They only invaded France after it became clear that Soviet victory was inevitable in order to prevent Western Europe from being liberated from capitalism.

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                Just because soviets did 1 right thing after nazis stabbed them in the back, doesn’t make them the good guys. Somehow you forgot to mention that soviet rapearmy also illegally occupied all the territory they passed on the way to Berlin

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                  I don’t smoke because it’s bad for my lungs.

                  That said, I’ll leave you with a quote from Thomas Mann,

                  To place Russian communism on the same moral level with Nazi fascism, because both are totalitarian, is, at best, superficial, in the worse case it is fascism. He who insists on this equality may be a democrat; in truth and in his heart, he is already a fascist, and will surely fight fascism with insincerity and appearance, but with complete hatred only communism.

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                    4 months ago

                    I think you failed to read both the text you’re quoting, and the comment you’re answering to

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                  You’re wrong on two key points:

                  1. USSR and Nazi Germany only made a nonaggression act after other Western countries did because Western powers purposefully did not invite the USSR. It was a way to try to protect Czechslovakia and Poland since the Westerns were simply giving up Central Europe to the Nazis. You can read more about it here.

                  2. The famine in the USSR was not a genocide. That is Nazi propaganda. Read about it here.

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                    Even if you exclude holomodor, to quickly quote wikipedia, even soviet leaders agreed that Stalin was committing genocide

                    “On 26 April 1991 the Supreme Soviet of the Russian Socialist Federal Soviet Republic, under its chairman Boris Yeltsin, passed the law On the Rehabilitation of Repressed Peoples with Article 2 denouncing all mass deportations as “Stalin’s policy of defamation and genocide.””

                    And how exactly were they “protecting Poland”? Sticking it in the mouth while Adolf was grinding the rear?

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      If Japan, South Korea or whoever suddenly had a Chinese backed coup and took control of US naval bases in their country, what do you think the US response would be?

      Because that’s exactly what happened in Ukraine. US backed coup, Russia moves in to Crimea to secure it’s black sea naval base.

      Is this the first time you are hearing this?

      Here’s another what if. What if Scotland voted for independence from the UK and became socialist or whatever. Do you think England wouldn’t seize is nuclear submarine bases north of Glasgow?

      How fucking baby brained are you?

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      You mean the conflict that literally started with the people of Donetsk and Luhansk taking up arms against a government that was explicitly shutting down their language and implementing outright oppressive laws against their ethnicities?