• mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
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    10 months ago

    Oh cool, then neither is aggressor. Since they were both doing business with each other. Because apparently that’s how it works.

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      10 months ago

      Then whats the fucking problem. Why provoke this useless war with russia?

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        10 months ago

        Functionally illiterate troll does not understand “your argument is self-defeating nonsense” unless it’s spelled out.

        And I’m putting a lot of faith in the implication you understand it even now.

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            10 months ago

            I’m sorry I misplaced that faith.

            I am using your argument… to point out… your argument makes no god-damn sense. I don’t believe your argument. I am highlighting how, if you believed your argument, you’d find it fucks up your conclusion. But you don’t care.

            You’re just making mouth noises to justify a conclusion you picked well before any argument-shaped sentences.

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              9 months ago

              im straight up telling you what made me come to my conclusion and repeating it back to me doesnt make much sense to me if your goal is to convincing me otherwise.

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                    9 months ago

                    It’s your nonsense.

                    You said Russia can’t be the aggressor, because Europe did business with them.

                    If we pretend that’s relevant: it’d mean Europe can’t be the aggressor either, because Russia did business with them. So I guess nobody invaded anybody?

                    Meanwhile in reality, Russia invaded Ukraine. Which is pretty goddamn aggressive. And exactly what Europe expected could happen. And in fact, part of what doing business with Russia was intended to prevent. Didn’t work. Doesn’t mean Europe was somehow at fault for the country that keeps invading its neighbors, invading its neighbors. A country that does so with such regularity, most of Europe is in the Stop Russia Invading Its Neighbors club (which borders with Russia, how dare they!), and Russia still invades its neighbors who aren’t in the club. Whilst telling them: this is the stop-us-invading-you club’s fault. Which is fucking nonsense.

                    Anyway your hot take on all this has been shuffling cards in search of relevant excuses, so I think we’re done forever.