I recently reported on how Microsoft has been celebrating the forced roll-out of the new Outlook as a “migration success”. Now the company has confirmed it won’t let you use the Mail & Calendar apps. The first phase of this change is already rolling out on Windows 11, with second and final phase expected in […]
  • Breadhax0r@lemmy.world
    96·
    4 months ago

    I guess way back when microsoft said than win10 would be the last version of windows, what the meant was it would be the last anyone wants to use.

      • InFerNo@lemmy.ml
        31·
        4 months ago

        It works better for searching, it works offline, catch-all addresses just work with correct from address when replying, backup and archiving, can move mails from box to box without sending.

        I also use roundcube, but only to read mails. If I want to reply to a catch-all mail I have to create an alias which is super tedious.

        • jasonlearst@lemmy.ml
          2·
          4 months ago

          catch-all addresses just work with correct from address when replying

          What do you mean by this? I’d like to be able to reply from a [email protected] automatically.

          For me Thunderbird makes me create an alias in order to reply to my catch all (*@mydomain.com). Did you have to configure something specifically?

          • WaterWaiver@aussie.zoneEnglish
            3·
            4 months ago

            I click on my “From” address and then select “Customize From Address…”. I can then type anything I want up there. It’s a little annoying when replying to an email chain with an alias, but not too many steps.

            • InFerNo@lemmy.ml
              2·
              4 months ago

              See my other reply, you can automate this with a setting so you don’t have to edit it manually every time.

          • InFerNo@lemmy.ml
            3·
            4 months ago

            This is built into Thunderbird for a while now.

            https://i.imgur.com/065RFJJ.png

            1. Go to Account Settings
            2. Enable Reply from this identity when delivery headers match
            3. Enter your domain prefixed by a wildcard (*), for example *@yourdomain.com
            4. Close/confirm all your changes
            5. Open an email that was sent to one of your catch-all addresses and click the reply button.
            6. The FROM field should be the catch-all address and not your general address.
      • JustARegularNerd@aussie.zoneEnglish
        16·
        4 months ago

        I have email addresses under Outlook (old personal account), Gmail (study provided email), Exchange (work) and Proton (main personal account). I also actively use the calendar feature in my client, which is sync’d up to my Nextcloud instance.

        Just having it all under Thunderbird is so convenient and it feels more private. It’s also an entirely consistent UI between accounts

      • Captain Beyond@linkage.ds8.zone
        13·
        4 months ago

        Same reason anyone would use a dedicated provider-independent client instead of a proprietary web application locked into a single provider: less vendor lock-in, more local control, and so on.

    • EddoWagt@feddit.nl
      19·
      4 months ago

      Replaced with one god awful one. I actually liked the calendar application, does all I need it to do. But no, I can’t have just a calendar application anymore according to Microsoft

      • InFerNo@lemmy.ml
        4·
        4 months ago

        Mozilla used to have Sunbird, until they also rolled it into Thunderbird. Standalone calendars aren’t popular anymore, but in sure there’s some around.

        I understand the mail integration, as appointments can be processed directly.

    • fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      83·
      4 months ago

      Thunderbird has a pretty ass UI though and it’s still pretty janky at times. I only switched to it over the mail app after email sent to our support department had some random persons name associated with the “contact”

      Windows 10s mail app wasn’t bad, but now that it’s this new outlook thing I’d never go back.

        • fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          2·
          4 months ago

          It’s not hard to figure out, the UI/UX is just kinda ass. It’s got that open source made for developers by developers feel and not made for actual users feel.

          The biggest thing I liked about the windows 10 mail client was how well it scaled to different sized displays, and all on the fly. Thunderbird I either make it look good for my 4k monitor, but unusable on my laptop if it’s a small window, or I make it look good on the laptop and it’s horrendous use of space. Without going into crazy themes the thunderbird client looks straight outa 2002 no matter what font sizes and layouts you tweak.

          • bobs_monkey@lemm.ee
            2·
            4 months ago

            Yeah I’m with you on the display, especially with a docking laptop. I just kinda fell into it without much searching around, I’m sure there are more user friendly clients out there but it works just fine for my usage and I honestly don’t have time or energy to go on the hunt for the perfect client lol

    • BearOfaTime@lemm.ee
      1·
      4 months ago

      I do too, but it’s a dog. So damn slow.

      Outlook is fast, and that’s important.

      I really hope they get the performance issues resolved in Thunderbird.

  • rekabis@lemmy.ca
    21·
    4 months ago

    Thunderbird is acquiring Exchange features.

    They haven’t turned them on just yet owing to a little last-minute work, but your ability to sync calendars and address books with an ActiveSync/Exchange-compatible eMail server is coming soon.

        • Tja@programming.dev
          51·
          4 months ago

          I’m open for suggestions for a better one, but for me it uniquely combines open source (kind of) with ease of use and functionality / expandability. I used emacs for more than a decade and switched to VSCode (although I don’t do coding as my primary activity anymore). Tried neovim, sublime, netbeans and webstorm and didn’t convince me.

            • Tja@programming.dev
              2·
              4 months ago

              If I were writing code 40h a week maybe, but my emacs brain can’t get used to vim motions.

            • Tja@programming.dev
              1·
              4 months ago

              Support for weird stuff like integration with smart home (home assistant), better syntax highlighting / autocomplete for specific cases (like the home assistant mentioned above), better support for mixed fonts, database integration, more efficient use of screen real estate for side panels and less effort to add new languages in general (cdk, terraform, k8s with crd, go, etc), one click github copilot…

              My current role needs me to deal with whatever the customer is using, so a whole lot of variability, custom resources and libraries, languages that I’m not super familiar with… It’s just easier.

              If it helps, I’m still running Arch, BTW. (but probably will go with just debian when my computer dies, whenever that will be).

        • Spot@startrek.websiteEnglish
          1·
          4 months ago

          Guess I should have worded that more as, “make my employer understand and make the switch”. We can tell them till we’re blue in the face but they do not seem to care.

    • BearOfaTime@lemm.ee
      1·
      4 months ago

      Lol, right, right.

      Out of the gate: which distro? Which shell? Now get all a business apps working there, some which were custom developed in the 90’s.

      Or CAD. OneNote with SharePoint (which is extensively used). Etc, etc.

      Look, there’s a lot wrong with Windows, but switching to Linux for nearly any business isn’t realistic, especially large orgs. And if you only have a few users, working around the negatives is trivial with a few reg scripts, or logon scripts, or Group Policies assigned by the DC.

      • ulkesh@beehaw.orgEnglish
        1·
        4 months ago

        but switching to Linux for nearly any business isn’t realistic

        Not with that attitude.

  • AnyOldName3@lemmy.world
    11·
    4 months ago

    If anyone’s in this thread because they’re looking for a new mail client after Microsoft killed the old Mail app, and haven’t been happy with the typical suggestions of using each email service’s web interface or Thunderbird, I found I don’t hate Mailspring (with the fancy features disabled - I just want my email client to do email well and don’t want extras that provide clutter).

  • Rentlar@lemmy.ca
    10·
    4 months ago

    New Outlook is a pile of shit compared to the desktop Outlook app. It’s been causing a lot of headaches for my coworkers. Microsoft had better port near every single feature over to the newapp before they force everyone on it.

  • ReversalHatchery@beehaw.orgEnglish
    61·
    4 months ago

    Does that mean the only official email app will be the one that uploads the passwords to all your email accounts to Microsoft?

      • wuphysics87@lemmy.ml
        4·
        4 months ago

        The majority of regular folks will only ever upgrade when they get a new computer. Most Me Maw’s and Pa Paw’s would sooner let their computers catch fire from being loaded with cat than get a new one. Hell. They are all still using ball mice.

        As for me, as long as I have an iso I’ll happily run it in a vm. Indefinitely.

        • piyuv@lemmy.world
          3·
          4 months ago

          Ball mice is better than laser mice since you can take out the ball and play with it

          • wuphysics87@lemmy.ml
            1·
            4 months ago

            Can’t argue with that. The ones with the big ball on the top are especially good because you can use an 8 ball

  • kindenough@kbin.earth
    4·
    4 months ago

    Good riddance.

    I absolutely dislike Outlook desktop, don’t trust it either. Used Thunderbird back in the day, but switched to emailing on tablets or phone + TrueNas for desktop files.

    FairEmail Pro on tablet is all I need for email. It is open source and imo simplest to use. It’s free and the pro version set me back 7€ or so.