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Its horrendous, my work windows laptop the amount of crap just loading at startup is getting stupid.
Most of my coworkers never turn their machine off, but I appreciate windows taking it’s time. Warming up the work laptop in the morning is like a ceremony at this point. Solid 10-15 minutes to grab coffee, have a chat, check the feeds… Lol I wonder how much time/productivity is collectively wasted across the country from this crap.
Every time you want a break just relax and if the boss shows up just restart your computer. Tell them you’re waiting for the system to boot after it froze or installed an update.
Yeah, straight back 15-20 years ☕😋
The invention of ssds was not to speed up computers, but to allow us to have more unwanted stuff autostart.
The same with the incredibly powerful CPUs and huge amounts of RAM we all have now. These are little supercomputers, and everything in Windows takes longer than it did 25 years ago on machines with a tiny fraction of the power.
This trend is not limited to windows. Try to open a notepad or a calculator on any modern linux distro. 3-5 seconds. And it’s getting worse with snaps and flatpacks.
It’s true, but the effect is still much less pronounced on Linux than Windows. Opening a web browser, for instance, is usually a lot faster on Linux than opening the same browser in Windows.
and to install ‘mandatory’ giant bloated updates faster…
and to reboot faster after crashes (which may or may not have been caused by the above updates)…
I remember my morning routine around 2007-2008 in college before Linux was usable enough for me was turn on laptop, make coffee and have breakfast. Once the clickety clack stopped, check email or something. If it was still clacking away, get ready to head to university and it would have to wait. While I had XP on that thing it did not leave the house unless I was planning to hit the library to write a paper or something that would take more than an hour. It was not worth it to go through the startup procedure between classes. I needed the charger wherever I took it because 20% was lost to either starting up or traveling while on.
when i set up a new pc i warn the users moving from really old ones that their coffee-fetching and bagel toasting time is about to shrink to zero.
Including all the analytics gathering windows has to run on startup. What a pain.
Oh definitely. Its shut down every day, has a dedicated dock in the home office, and I open it at 9am.
Thats when I get my coffee and snack. Its just surprising how much longer I can sit and sip before starting now.
“Nah man you just need a little more AI bullshit crammed into all your apps.” -Microsoft, probably
They also make Edge launch at startup, it also never really closes when you “close” it.
Thats because of office I believe, since its using edge underneath.
Ah, the edgewebview2 crash. So consistent, so destructive.
This is why I’m glad I mostly just use it for teams, everything else is pretty much ssh from my main workstation (debian).
Wait is the stupid lag in Word because it’s running on Electron now??? That explains so much.
Edit: after a little bit of searching, it looks like it just loads webview2 to avoid having to load it if you open any of the add-in search panels. So the lagginess of new word is just inexcusable.
my work windows pc used to fill almost the entire 8gb ram with just the crap that autostarted.
Obligatory
I’m forced to use Windows due to work and damn is it slow. File explorer feels so sluggish compared to Dolphin
Deleting files and folders in Windows is the one that gets me. It’s so incredibly slow, and if you try to cancel it manages to take even longer “Cancelling…”.
Yep, it’s quickly becoming absolute garbage, I hate it more every day. Getting home back on Linux feels so much better.
Obligatory Windows is trash and f those guys. Something about Dolphin turns me off tho. Thinking about exploring new file explorers.
I can’t seem to find a view I like in Dolphin. Everything I try I still end up with these two columns when I’d rather have one compact list.
Agree, especially switching between tabs is sooooooo slow
And this is how adding code to Word 97 for 28 years without refactoring works.
Interestingly they did the same with Word 97: loaded Office at startup so the individual Office applications would seem to launch faster.
Coming soon to your neck of the woods… Copilot OS! Now with no Windows, only Copilot and a shitty embedded MS Edge. Everything you know as Windows is hidden behind an enforced Microsoft account which you cannot bypass or opt-out! Oh—and don’t forget—you now need a PC with 64GB DDR6789 RAM, RBG+ chipset with tiny peener cache, 2 BRAIN TRACING GPUs, SUPER SECURE BOOT, TrustClock, Lie Detector, Bio-metric reader created by NSA, and their secret time bomb tracker that will secretly ghost all your data at a moments notice and require you to purchase the subscription to ALL STAR MEGA SUPER SONIC ULTRA CLOUD DATA WAREHOUSE. Oh, but hey, at least it’s software upgradable…
Windows is actually streamed from the MS Cloud™. Only Copilot and the Word loader run locally.
What? You live in a lower income country and doesn’t have a reliable internet connection and a high spec machine? Our board of directors have a personal message for you:
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“Fuck you!”
But now windows takes longer to boot and is too slow because ms office is always running in the background. +1 for reasons to use linux.
I’m constantly shocked how poorly Windows 11 runs on brand new high end hardware.
My current company uses brand new $1,500 HP enterprise grade laptops and they frequently freeze up, stutter, and get really hot from basic office work.
My old Debian servers I used to have there were running butter smooth with KDE Plasma on 12 year old hardware.
All those screenshots don’t get processed for free.
I vaguely remember that they were already preloading the Office DLLs way back in Windows 95 or XP days.
Yeah I remember something similar, office quickstart I vaguely remember it being called
Of course it’s slow, it’s full of telemetry, spyware and built-in AI junk, it couldn’t be any different
OfficeClickToRun.exeis years and years old. This isn’t a new thing at all.that’s the c2r maintenance process. main job is to set up and update the local files for office.
It’s a maintenance process which preloads essential office files into memory for usage when you launch the different Microsoft applications so their startup time is reduced as well.
shrugs in linux
Articles like this and the fact they’re still trying to get recall back was reason enough for me to switch again.
Don’t use Windows? Use Linux instead.
Just a thought.
All of this while Excel is still stuck in 1997 in terms of functionality.
So are bicycles. They do a thing and they do it well.
Nonsense, Excel is extremely bad at analyzing and visualizing data. The whole point of Excel is ease of use, cell reference, etc. Now make 10 graphs with different ranges, different axis ranges, etc. good luck. It is a whole lot of useless clicking, with open tabs like axis ranges of course always resetting to the line formatting. It is exactly like it was 20 years ago with zero improvement. You can still NOT simply input a cell with a value into the axis range to make it automatic.
We have 64 bit multi-core CPUs unconstrained by clock speeds, RAM, bus bottlenecks, instructions sets, addressing modes, registers, or storage speeds. Monitors are beyond visual resolution, graphics are pumped out at a rate of zillions and gazillions of 32 bit pixels per second. How can any software be anything less than instantaneous these days? How can this modern bloated AI-dreamt high-level sludge code be as slow as my Commodore 64 booting GEOS from a 5.25" floppy?
The mouse button shouldn’t even have time to bounce up from my finger releasing it and the screen should already be loaded.
Companies running 10-20 year old hardware and the amount of spyware that exists nowadays gets in the way
Tons of legacy code that has to run at startup.
And better hardware means there is no longer a requirement to optimise.
What was “if we don’t make this code more efficient, it won’t run on modern computers”, turned into “we don’t need to make this code efficient because modern computers will be able to run it”
CTRL-ALT-DELETE - Task Manager - Click the little fuel gauge on the left hand side to access and disable startup items.
Copilot? Disabled.
Microsoft 365 Copilot? Disabled.
Teams? Disabled.
Microsoft To Do? Disabled.
OneDrive? Disabled.
Phone Link? Disabled.
Xbox? Disabled.Just add one more to the list…
Ctrl-shift-esc opens task manager directly.
True, but whenever Windows is having a mini-meltdown the NMI from the three finger salute is often enough to jar it out of its fixation. Plus my computer has learnt that if I hit Ctrl-Alt-Del 30 times the next time is the big red switch.
The direct shortcut for opening task manager actually also had special handling for problematic situations. This includes low memory and high CPU.
I’ve had situations where the direct shortcut worked, but ctrl-alt-delete didn’t. Never had the opposite.
Microsoft shouldn’t have killed Wordpad. Imagine if they updated it instead with docx compatibility.
