• Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social
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    10 months ago

    I guess ignoring how Ukrainians ran the russian puppet heading their country out of the country just before the Crimean invasion of 2014 is convenient for your point.

    Appeasement does not work. It has never worked. It didnt work in Sudetenland, it didnt work in Crimea, and it would never have worked with Donbas, either.

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      10 months ago

      I guess ignoring how Ukrainians ran the russian puppet heading their country out of the country just before the Crimean invasion of 2014 is convenient for your point.

      Being willing to trade with Russia at all makes you their puppet apparently.

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      I guess ignoring how Ukrainians ran the russian puppet heading their country out of the country

      A very euphemistic way to describe a coup. It’s amazing how much liberals start to sound like January 6th MAGA chuds as soon as it’s about a foreign country.

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        CW: “Foxes and Wolves” quote

        “The white conservatives aren’t friends of the Negro either, but they at least don’t try to hide it. They are like wolves; they show their teeth in a snarl that keeps the Negro always aware of where he stands with them. But the white liberals are foxes, who also show their teeth to the Negro but pretend that they are smiling. The white liberals are more dangerous than the conservatives; they lure the Negro, and as the Negro runs from the growling wolf, he flees into the open jaws of the “smiling” fox.” – Malcolm X

        Republicans and Democrats descend from the same genetic ancestors: white supremacy and Amerikan exceptionalism. Still a dog, just built different between the two.

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        Context and nuance sure are dead, arent they, folks? Those of you reading that dont have opinions bought and paid for by the russian govt, please look more into the euro maidan protests. The Ukrainian ppl overwhelmingly rejected russian interests running their country.

        It sickens me how much fascist deflection there is on online spaces. Take note that immediately the russian trolls/bots try to conflate any and all politics with trumpism in hopes of muddying political rhetoric in YOUR respective countries. Bc when u cant convince the proles to vote for trump/johnson/bolsonaro/orban/la pen, u can still convince them not to vote against them either.

        Very interesting how these efforts have been ramped up in time for election season in the most powerful nation on the planet. Stay sane folks.

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      You mean when the occupiers of Turtle Island couped Poroshenko Yanukovych and installed a regime full of Banderite proto-nazis on the take from Anglo settlers? Yeah, I remember that; my next door neighbor got his old home ransacked, raided, and eventually flattened by the fighting that came to his city. He barely made it out alive; and STILL has to look up and down the street before he opens his door so we can talk-- just so he can make sure someone’s not trundling down the drive to drag him back. I remember that well.

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          “appeasement”… “sudetenland” lol who do you think you’re fooling.

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            Oh no, i compared facsists to other fascists. But keep going with the false equivalences, thats certainly the way to convince the voters thats working for u.

            In case u other readers havent been paying attention, russia is still threatening Poland, Lithuania, and Finland just as they have been for their whole history.

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              My hole point is that Russia is portrayed as a demonic, irrational Hitler that can’t be reasoned with. So all their demands are irrelevant and negotiations useless. And nato and the US empire is just a well meaning benevolent force that nobody has any reason to oppose. So we have to keep the war going!

              That is the propaganda. And so far all the replies have basically confirmed this.

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      Appeasement does not work. It has never worked. It didnt work in Sudetenland

      And it didn’t work for Russia when they appeased the USA as they marched NATO all across Eastern Europe and installed nuclear capabilities aimed at Russia. Russia has appeased the USA for too long. They decided to act in Ukraine finally because Ukraine is THE strategic red line. Both Napoleon and The Third Reich invaded Russia through Ukraine because it is strategically the best path. The USA took up nearly every other borderland with Russia except Ukraine, saving it for last, and Russia appeased and appeased. It stopped at Ukraine.